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Messaggio  Alesu il Mar 28 Ott 2014, 16:06

Nuovi rumors freschi freschi! Alleggeriranno con l'alluminio pur di mantenere telaio a longheroni e assalì rigidi. Assemblaggio sempre a Toledo.  Sperem bang

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Jeep Wrangler: nuovi rumor su alluminio e telaio a longheroni


Ormai tra rumor e voci di corridoio se ne è già parlato ma arriva l’ennesima conferma che non fa mai male: Jeep Wrangler sarà un grande amico dell’alluminio nella prossima generazione. L’ottimo fuoristrada duro e puro di Jeep dovrà infatti mettersi a dieta per soddisfare i sempre più stringenti requisiti della moda, una “moda” che significa meno emissioni per risparmiare un sempre più tartassato ambiente e le ugualmente sempre più tartassate tasche dei clienti.

La cosa interessante che emerge dalla nuova ondata di informazioni, però, è il fatto che Jeep Wrangler manterrà un telaio a longheroni. La notizia fa tirare un gran sospiro di sollievo ai puristi dell’off-road ma è anche la conferma che Jeep “non le sparava grosse” nelle varie occasioni in cui rassicurava i fan del Wrangler che non sarebbero stati delusi.

Il fuoristrada continuerà ad essere prodotto all’impianto di Toledo (che sembra pronto ad un’espansione per aumentare la capacità produttiva) e arriverà nel 2017 riproponendo quindi una versione più leggera dell’attuale ma con le stesse caratteristiche: telaio perfetto per il fuoristrada e ponti in grado di resistere a sollecitazioni ben più pesanti dei concorrenti.

Jeep ha infatti parlato del prossimo Wrangler come “il Wrangler più capace di sempre” riferendosi alle prestazioni in off-road ma è ancora presto per parlare delle caratteristiche. Possiamo però ipotizzare che anche il motore andrà nella direzione del downsizing, sparirà il V6 da 3.6 litri in favore di una cilindrata inferiore, magari con il cambio automatico a otto rapporti? Inoltre vedremo un dispositivo di sconnessione dell’asse posteriore per risparmiare sui consumi come per il nuovo Renegade?

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Re: Rumors - Nuovo Wrangler MY 2017 senza ponti rigidi?

Messaggio  il_Falco il Mar 28 Ott 2014, 19:35

Certo che il 3.6 su una bella scocca in alluminio... bavetta

E invece no. Mad

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Messaggio  Buxy il Mer 29 Ott 2014, 19:26

il_Falco ha scritto:Certo che il 3.6 su una bella scocca in alluminio... bavetta

E invece no. Mad

Ma scherzi ? Speriamo non escano con un 1.6 altrimenti non si muove più !

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Messaggio  mgnever il Mer 29 Ott 2014, 19:48

Metteranno il 3.2 Pentastar che ha ora il KL..

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Messaggio  Alesu il Mer 29 Ott 2014, 20:32

Quoto Mg. + cambio auto 9 rapporti adattato per un uso più gravoso. CRD 2.8 da 230 cv.

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Re: Rumors - Nuovo Wrangler MY 2017 senza ponti rigidi?

Messaggio  Alesu il Ven 08 Mag 2015, 14:57

Per tenervi caldi vi giro questo interessantissimo articolo di "rumors", pubblicato sul sito USA Jalopnik. Purtroppo la traduzione fatta con Google Translator verrebbe una schifezza. Per chi ne avesse voglia potrebbe riassumere i punti salienti in italiano e postarlo successivamente.
Tranquilli, Dana ha investito un sacco di soldi per il futuro Wrangler Very Happy


Every 2017 Jeep Wrangler Rumor Explained


Almost nothing has been confirmed about the 2017 Jeep Wrangler, except that Americans will be buying 'em faster than a barbecue overdose can stop our red-white-and-blue-bleeding hearts. So here's a current-knowledge breakdown of the aerodynamic, aluminum, hybrid SUV that the next Wrangler might be.

Over the last few months Larry P. Vellequette over at Automotive News has been on point for next-gen Wrangler scoops. As a result he and his stories opening with "sources say" have been the inception for most of the following rumors. He seems to have the Toledo scene pretty well locked down and I'm inclined to trust him, though some of our sources disagree with a few major points.

UPDATE: it's just been suggested that production could split to allow a "Wrangler Classic" to keep the current body style going. See below.

The redesigned Wrangler will be a 2017 model.

This much is official. At Fiat-Chrysler's "five-year plan briefing" they flipped through a slide that revealed the Wrangler redesign was slated for the 2017 model year. Relatedly, they pointed out that 2016 will be their 75th anniversary and mark the introduction of another "C-Segment" SUV to replace the Compass and Patriot.

As we talk "Wrangler going on a diet," keep in mind this new C truck will help bring brand MPG averages down and take some of that burden off the Wrangler. Should mean FCA won't have to remove toomany of the inefficient idiosyncrasies that make the Wrangler wonderful.

Off-road ability and customization aren't going away... so they say.

Last year Jeep CEO Mike Manley told Car & Driver his company wants to keep the next Wrangler "easy to customize" and maintain the "halo-qualities" its off-road abilities bless the brand with, and his message hasn't changed since.

Manley and his boss Sergio Marchionne have tried to guardedly comfort Wrangler's enthusiast fan base every time they're questioned about the vehicle's development. Everybody knows the truck has to get more efficient, and everyone's scared the beancounters will turn it into a lifeless crossover to save coin.

Frankly I don't think such fear is entirely misplaced; Manley's also been quoted saying his three priorities for the next Wrangler are "preserving the look, improving economy, and on-road dynamics." If that's to be taken literally, "off-roading" is the next Wrangler's "job four" at best.

But I also think you should shut the fuck up and find a CJ-7 if you can't handle new vehicles being built on improved technology. As anybody who's ever been on a Jeep forum knows; any new Jeep sucks and the outgoing one is the only real Jeep. Such is the cycle.

Aluminum body?

Vellequette is convinced this is a done deal, but I'm not so sure. The factory retooling costs of switching to aluminum would be massive, the "billion dollar" aftermarket business would get majorly butthurt, the "repair controversies" Ford's dealing with would come in twice as hard... and how much could the existing body panels of a Wrangler even weigh anyway? The Wrangler's pretty much a steel mermaid covered in a few flimsy strips of sheet-metal providing as much coverage as a coconut bra.

I've also heard from one of my sources; a guy I trust who knows a guy who's working on the next Wrangler, that aluminum is off the table.

I'm not taking either option as confirmed yet, and neither should you. But I'll personally lean toward "staying steel" until Chrysler confirms otherwise or one of our spies gets a magnet on a prototype.

Potential diesel, and/or hybrid power...

Diesel is slowly worming its way into mainstream American 4x4s. See: new Titan, the half-ton Ram EcoDiesel, newly-available diesel Range Rovers, upcoming mini-Duramax in the 2016 Chevy Colorado and Jeep's own entry with the Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel. "Diesel is, potentially, a powertrain solution for Wrangler," Jeep CEO Manley has said.

In an interview with Auto Express earlier this year, he added; "You have the potential for hybrid powertrains in the future. Those people who use the Wrangler, the most important thing is the initial torque and the crawl ratio. With an electric motor you have the most torque available and with the right combination of transmission and gear ratios you can create incredible crawl ratios."

Manley went on-record to acknowledge that range would be an issue some place like the Rubicon trail, where lugging a dead battery could kill your multi-day crossing of the Rubicon trail.

But at least smaller turbocharged engines replacing the V6.

"We firmly believe that we have to downsize the engines that are going into the Wrangler, just in terms of displacements, and then increase the capabilities by putting turbos in and doing other things to that engine," as FCA boss Marchionne was quoted in The Daily Tech and elsewhere.

So I guess that's happening... and it'll be interesting to see how a boosted four is tuned for low-end torque.

"Aerodynamic" styling... and no more folding windshield?!

This came up almost as an end-note in one of Vellequette's Auto News pieces, which said the next Wrangler "will have a fixed windscreen with a significant rake to improve its aerodynamics."




Hasty artist's rendition. Shield your eyes.

The comments in response to this on just about every site, blog, and forum I could find were "who cares, folding the windshield down sucks anyway." I vehemently disagree because I love driving with goggles and and a ski mask like a boss but apparently the new crop of Jeepers is too precious to eat bugs and pull rocks out of their foreheads for the sake of an awesome open-air experience.

I don't know how the hell Jeep's going to throw a sleek windshield on a Wrangler and "preserve the look," but maybe the slant they've got planned, if that is indeed the plan, is a subtle one like it was on the JK. Slowly getting us used to the idea of the Wrangler as a CUV...

Sticking with solid axles "very likely," some say confirmed.

As reported in the above mentioned Automotive News piece... that publication "has learned" the next Wrangler will hang on to simple, easy-to-throw-a-lift-kit-on solid axles instead of switching to independent suspension which would save weight.

I can get behind this rumor. Dana Axles (who supply Jeep) just invested serious money in their axle-making operations and I bet planned increased production of the next Wrangler has something to do with that.

Possible new OEM tire supplier.

I heard from a guy who knows a guy that Jeep is "considering a new OEM tire for the next Wrangler." That probably happens with every new body style, but intriguing nonetheless. If I knew more, I'd tell ya.

8-Speed automatic seems like it's happening.

Automotive News was first again with the story about FCA dropping their eight-speed in the next Wrangler by getting a peek at a government filing the company sent to the SEC. But Allpar went the extra mile to actually dig up the statement and produce it for readers. They found FCA's "Amendment No. 1 to Form F-1 Registration Statement under the Securities Act of 1933″ dated November 13, 2014.

According to Allpar, "page 179 of the 257-page (not including attachments) document, the fourth paragraph says:"

"We have two commercial agreements with one of our key suppliers, ZF Friedrichshafen AG, or ZF, for the design, engineering and manufacture of new automatic transmissions that deliver reduced fuel consumption combined with improved driving performance. The first agreement covers a rear-wheel-drive 8-speed transmission for light- and medium-duty applications introduced in 2011 in the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger. Depending on the application, this 8-speed transmission reduces fuel consumption by more than nine percent over the 5-speed and 6-speed transmissions it replaced. The 8-speed transmission is currently paired with gasoline and diesel engines in the 2014 Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee and is also featured in the new 2014 Dodge Durango. We plan to use this transmission in all of our rear-wheel-drive vehicles, except for heavy-duty versions of the Ram pick-up truck and the SRT Viper..."

They and Automotive News interpreted that to include the Wrangler.

But where will the next Wrangler come from?

This is the million (billion, really)-dollar question that consumers probably care least about, but the only Wrangler news Jeep employees and the city of Toledo, Ohio are on the edge of their seats over. The Wrangler is a big deal to the city and they're fighting hard to keep it.

On one hand FCA boss Marchionne has said that if the Wrangler goes aluminum, it wouldn't be built in Toledo. And at least a few credible people are pretty confident aluminum is happening. So that means Wrangler production is leaving the city.

Then again, the Toledo's director of development Matt Sapara is hard-set on fulfilling their recently deceased mayor's wish and keeping the company in town no matter what. The city is willing to let FCA buy another 100 acres to expand their factory, which currently craps out 240,000 Wranglers a year and would have to ramp-up to "300,000 to 350,000" according to AutoBlog and others.

"Wrangler Classic" to placate the purists.

The same day we published this story, someone I trust mentioned a major rumor I hadn't considered and feel is worth mentioning here– the idea that Wrangler production could split in 2017; with a wildly new bodystyle selling to the masses and a "Classic" model that's basically just the JK carried over to keep purists from freaking out.

Jeep basically did this to extend the life of the Cherokee XJ, Land Rover did it with their Range Rover... doesn't seem all that far-fetched to me if a mega styling/setup change is in the Wrangler's near future.

Got a point/counterpoint to one of these, or another redesigned Jeep Wrangler rumor we haven't mentioned? Let's hash it out in the comments!

Top image by Andrew P. Collins, the "aerojeep" by Jason Torchinsky who promises this was a rush job. Anyway, you get the idea.

Fonte:
http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/every-2017-jeep-wrangler-rumor-explained-1686153671/1686999708/+pgeorge

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Re: Rumors - Nuovo Wrangler MY 2017 senza ponti rigidi?

Messaggio  Giovanni. il Ven 08 Mag 2015, 15:09

Io non parlo inglese , ma la foto mi auguro che sia un errore di stampa, photoshoppata male quanto mai... Laughing

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Messaggio  Alesu il Ven 08 Mag 2015, 15:12

cheesy cheesy cheesy  Ma no Giò, è una foto deformata per far capire che probabilmente, per abbattere i consumi da petroliera, bisognerà fare qualcosa per smussare i cubi Wrangler Very Happy

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Messaggio  Giovanni. il Ven 08 Mag 2015, 15:14

Te l'ho detto che non parlo inglese hihi cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

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